are you actually learning MT
or just thinking about food all the damn time
while there ?

either ways , i find their food awesome though .

Thaiexpress in singapores expanding their business/outlets.
Thats gotta mean something

Hi Justin, maybe you wanna change your title as its misleading anyhow its your personal experience with Thai food and errmmm....where's the advice Personally, I love Thai food. Yes, Thai food is essentially packed with herbs and spices and lemon grass is a part of them. Some people like the smell, some don't. Most of their delights are sugar packed and I love them to bits probably cos I have sweet tooth. And if you re talking about being a S'porean guide , most s'poreans love food and would expect you to show them the best eateries in town and recommend them lotsa of Thai food however you don't really like Thai food and so I don't see how this post is gonna get people to look up to you as a guide.

Its ok to air your personal experiences but its natural that ppl will link the two naturally together. So either way, it aint advisable for "business".

ThaiExpress rocks!!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOOOOO!

Good one Mystiq!

yup couldnt agree more.... its bad business sense.... it doesnt take a hotshot business student like me to see that not promoting thai food is not good business sense. Ha ha... so u want sporeans to "ta pao" food to thailand for a month? and save the money ur quoting them? or wat? That makes ur rates cheaper is it?
Not discouraging business buddy .... just helping u out. U might be a first time businessman and just want to make an extra buck to pay for all ur katoeys in thailand.
But i think singaporeans wouldnt like that idea very much wud they....

a normal singporean would help his fellow country men.. not make money outta them in a foreign land. Thats the last thing they need. The government loots them enuf in the country. Go outta the country and u find ur own country man looting u?

That's a terrible narrow-minded point of view chessplayer. I agree, you should change the title, 'cause this guide of yours with no advice in it ranks at the bottom of my "Visit Thailand" guides list. You must be really lonely there...

BTW, what is "United States food" for you? KFC or McDonalds?!?

FYI, Japanese food in SG has little to do with the real one in Japan, except maybe the names of the dishes. So I'm not really sure what your expertise in this field is...

Insulting other nation's cuisine doesn't make you a chef or give you the right to tell them how to "improve it" to suit your childhood memories.

Thai food needs no "improvements". It's just perfect! And I love it the way it is!

Three posts saying it is bad business sense. Of course, these are assuming that I am all out for business.

If I promote, you all may say I am advertising. If I do not, then you say I am a bad business man. Pretty cool eh.

GaiJiju, your post is unwarrented. I mean I have tasted Real Japanese food in Japan, real US food in Hawaii, real Chinese food in GuiZhou, Real Taiwan food in Taiwan, Real Myanmar food in Tachilek, and real Malaysia food in malaysia. The only One I have not tasted in the country is Phillipines, Though I have tasted food cooked by philipinnoes, which is why I am qualified to make at least personal comments.

The other users can see how it is not an insult. So then we can only say good things eh?

And I have promoted the food of many countries here.

Other users can see how biased you all are.

Where the hell is the "advise"? Or maybe advice?

I'll give you one, FOC, ask your mum to fedex a fatty duck to you now and then, that will make you feel better.

OMG another arrogant lil prick who still thinks the whole earth revolves around his beloved laksa. NEWSFLASH: No, it doesn't!

Like that stupid tiger ad: nobody in london or new york ever heard about tiger beer, less alone drink it, but that silly voice in a proudlish tone: "From the shore of Singapore to the fracking skyscrappers of NY no wonder tiger wins the world over blah blah blah"
that's a big fat lie, it's just lame propaganda to make one think: whoah, tiger so great!!!

lol improve the thai food yeah, go for it, that's another wonderful business idea! oh, you mean washed down version? oh, no matter, go and open a hawker center, don't forget the MSG, 'cause that's the reason you think the food here is sooooo "tasty"

"Ignorance is a bliss" - Thomas Gray

That's the thing!!! You wrote a page of complains to tell the world you don't like thai food, but you called your post "Advise about the bad points of Thailand."

Let me tell you what are the bad points of Thailand: crimes, drugs and whores! Not the food! Now write something constructive about that!

Because we like thai food? lol

Anyone rational aand objective will see how biased these particular people are. If you want, reason.

See how Lau twisting things again? Whole world revolves around Laksa? I mention only Singapore food in a forum for Singaporeans, and he tries to twist it to whole world.

Look at Puneet. Loot Singaporeans? Eminent Air, Tiger etc. etc. are looting Singaporeans then. Even the Chicken rice seller selling chicken rice for SGD$2.5 to $3 is looting too. Why am I qualified to say this? because 21000 baht is a normal price for a high class Muay Thai Gym around Bangkok.

Just twisting things around. You had better behave or you will lose all credibility.

Biased towards what??? Thai food? Because we like it and you don't? That makes you biased too! against thai food!

I suggest you choose your words carefully.

wats your point bro? you don't like thai food? that's it? cause i'm in a hurry and hungry. my fren waiting for me at golden mile

No, it's not a forum for Singaporeans, it's a forum for muay thai fans from all over the world, and most of them, of course are Singaporean! But 20% of the visitors are from overseas, we even get a few hundreds from Thailand too, so better behave, they won't be very happy the way you talk about their food.

Btw, you have a few times mentioned high class MT gym...you mean there is low class MT gyms? What is your defination of high class and low class MT gyms?

This is really getting out of hand..

what is vanderlei doing in this site LOL

thai food sucks? more for me then!

lemon grass sucks? that's a new one, i love it to bits, have u tried lemon grass drink?

have you tasted the thai pork kway teow soup that people eat for breakfast? never tasted anything so awesome.

tom yam? nam tok muu? papaya/mango salad? steamed fish in lime juice and lemongrass? deep fried thinly sliced lemongrass and herbs wrapped in cabbage? mango/durian with glutinous rice + coconut milk?

if that sucks, i don't know what good food is, seriously.

to me the thais are culinary geniusus. why? they don't have much, village people can't afford to eat lots of meat, or buy very high quality fresh produce, so they add spices to make what they can get edible, and invent ways to make a little go a long way, and find ways to make their vegetable dishes tasty, and find ways to cook animal innards and "spare parts" and make them not just edible but very delicious.

in case u didn't know, many chinese dishes were invented out of poverty as well. tofu (something else to eat other than vegetables), yong tau foo (making a little fish go a long way), mala hot pot (making unedible parts edible), etc.

I stayed in Thailand for a total of eight days,

I loved the Food, I am a guy that scource for good food and thailand is full of good food. Lemon Grass sucks?

Dude, All to each opinions.
But One man meat is another man's poison
I think you need to lighten up on the Food.

To be honest Thailand is amazing

The last two posts are what I call rational and objective posts. Laus' which calls pple arroag lil prick, twists words to say revolve around the whole world etc. are what is biased against people.

I can give this advise, so that people who want to go to thailand may try out food at golden mile before they find if such a trip maysuit them.

The rest of the countries I have mentioned taste either slightly average to good, so I complimented them.

The few dishes you have mentioned are the few which I like too. but the rest mostly do not suit my taste a lot, and I hvae lived here for so long.

You come here and try eating the above everyday.

I have to say I spent 6months in a Thai Boxing Camp around 15 years ago in Ubon. I eat the same food as the local fighters. I did not have the money to go to town to have any western foods or posh restaurant I had come from the UK. Personally the food was one of the best things about the stay and the people who were brillant. I cant understand your problem seeing as in Bangkok these days you can get most any foods, its a lot easier. I think you need to remember your there to train, i'd concentrate on that. I still have friends who fight in the UK and nutrition is so scientific now I get the impression they only live on Protein Shakes.

Nice gentleman reply scud. This is what I was looking for.

But your point is not totally relevant because the tastebud of someone from UK is different from someone from SG.

At least two other singaporeans have told me they find certain Thai food not to their taste.

This is not an advise, this is what I call a COMPLAINT thread.
(Tell it to the police )

Thai food bottom and then other countries are slightly average to good. Wow you must be like a food connoisseur.

To me, you don't like all foreign dishes not just thai... period.

What would you say if a foreigner here tells you that sg food sucks? You won't feel good right? Because to you its the greatest thing in the world. But what you don't understand is that people have their own preferences. If you are in a foreign country you have to adapt. Rather than complain, if you can't take their food then go cook your own.

Call other countries food as horrible and average.

What is high class my frend? Tiger is looting? in what way? i ve been there to train... i had a hell of a nice time and good training ... Man everyone has the right to choose. Im saying u are charging a bomb thats all. The gym has no name! Why dont u create a name for it if u dont know the name! haha that could get u started off on ur business! And who the hell are u to come in here and tell me to behave? U seem oh so mysterious abt ur stupid business proposal - "GUIDE" rather- why dont u get the point and get outta this forum. U are not wanted here! U dont have any credibility here in the first place so stop talking abt me losing credibility alright Justin? Clearly we are all telling u to take ur silly monkey business elsewhere and try to pull a fast one on some ignorant fools.
I dont want to advertise or promote any gym but since u mentioned a gym that i trained at. tiger charges 14k bhat for a months training and accomodation! and ur talking in terms of 21k? And last time i was there the training was 1 to 1 and u get to select who u want to train with! So where did i get looted? everything was clean and transparent and facilities were top notch!

better get ur act together buddy

Hmmm... looks like this thread is really on fire. Clearly there is a great exchange of ideas and opinions going on.....very constructive. To me, it's starting to look like vultures picking on bones.

Before I go any further, let me just make it clear that I am in no way related to Chessplayer. Neither do I have any personal axes to grind with anyone here. I just want to throw in my two-cents worth (since every Tom, Dick and Harry is, anyway). Here goes.....

If chessplayer hates Thai food then so be it! Why are you guys arguing about his opinion/advice. Maybe he could have titled this thread better... like "I hate Thai food but I have a business to sell in Thailand so please continue reading"....
There is no need to "stand up" for Thai food. "Thai food" is not feeling insulted - food has no feelings.

And if you say Thais are getting insulted, then again, not necessarily coz my easy-going Thai friend didn't get all flustered and angry when I read him what Cheesplayer said about Thai food. He doesn't give a rat's a** what some random Singaporean foodie thinks about lemongrass or sugar in Thai food (which by the way, I dislike as well - both of the above-mentioned items).

If Chessplayer's idea is to get people to part with 21K baht to go to this high class gym, then let him try to convince them. It's their money, it's their decision ultimately. Of course opinions can and should be voiced or ideas given on how to sell his business better. But why is there a need to name him? After all, I have had people on this site - moderators, at that - who make me promise not let on whom they really are. So why is it ok now to name this guy?

By the way Puneet, just a constructive tip for you - I watched your video of your training session which was filmed at the gym which I currently train at (it's embarrassing to the gym, please take it off).... I noticed that you don't twist your supporting foot when you kick. Isn't that quite basic? You paid 14k baht and still didn't learn that; at the clean and transparent gym with top notch facilities, which you paid 14k baht to go to, in Thailand?

I'm not saying that I am a top-notch MT practitioner, or even one at all.... just giving a constructive tip.Anyway, that's just my two-cents worth. I am sure I shall be the next piece of meat to get picked on, so be it. Go on, have a field day. Just note that some of my replies may come a bit late coz I don't like to spend most of my time behind a computer screen, waiting to see if someone is "targeting" me....I prefer on-line poker. You guys should try it.

By the way, am I credible enough to be at this forum or should I also get the point and get out? Who marks credibility on this site? Puneet?

I had wanted to write "All the other countries' are slightly above average to good"

Puneet, you have to compare apples to apples. In my gym, it is room with attached bathroom as you see in the pictures. The current advertised price at tiger is 9000 for 1 month training and 12000 for the room/bungalow with attached toilet, not your type which has to share the toilet.

I think I rather save my time for myself and other forums then. At least in two other forums, I have been thanked or complimented on it.

I think it is Kiasuism rearing its ugly head from certain individuals here. They cannot have it free so complain.

Bye bye(Still may be here to answer simple answers if required. )

The fresh air we really need! Cheers bubu! I always enjoy your posts!

Actually it's more like the 'lil lamb in the lions' den :D

Yeah, I believe Puneet went a bit too far . We don't tell people to get out, don't we Puneet?

True, no thai gives a rat's a** if he and 2 of his friends don't like thai food, who cares. But you must agree, the post was misleading. Like this one posted by the same dude: http://mma.sg/forum/events/those-looking-no-frills-experience-thailand - it sounds like a thai language and culture seminar, but it's something else, is it?

Sorry, but we cannot and will not let anyone do any fishy business here. And it's not about the price, it's about the way is promoted. Hansen and lau were right on the other thread.

Because we know who Sinbi is, we know who RTF is, rawai or fairtex or tiger's, why is he hiding? I bet no one buys accommodation to a hotel in Paris off some unknown guy on a forum, right?
But this belongs to the other post, no more of this here.

We aim to provide helpful and transparent info on this site for all nakmuays, but these 2 posts were not.

Ok i guess i went a bit too far in sayin that he shud get out of the forum , all i meant was to take his business else where . I guess i came across too aggressively by saying get outta the forum n stuff. I mean its a public forum .... i just didnt like the whole idea of the way he approached his business and his attitude in saying "you had better behave or you will lose all credibility". Well that was uncalled for -

And as for the tip bubu , thanks , thats why we take videos to look at our mistakes and let other people and our trainers also comment on them and correct our flaws. Thanks for the feedback

You're welcome, Puneet.
So has your trainer commented or seen the video yet? He does know that it's posted, right?

im not too sure about that yet

While Bubu has a point in the fuss about the Thai food and all, I am more concerned about the "guide" thingy. Since that thread is closed for all the right reasons, I'll make my comments here. Sure, S'poreans can afford trips like these and while it is their right to spend on what they want, I believe as an integrated forum where most of us know who is who, we should always look out for fellow S'poreans nak muays and warn and guide them, whether or not they eventually heed the advice is up to them but at least they made informed decisions and not blind decisions. Many of the young ones are raring to go all out and always turn out they do not know what to look or ask for. A few of us gave "Justin" (maybe thats not even his name, who cares anyway) chance to be transparent about his info since his blog site doesnt even have the necessary details, it only mentions $$ details. From "outskirts", he went to "West of Bangkok" What does that tell us about an individual? Plus, he goes on bragging that his idea and all was welcomed by 2 other forums. A genuine person has nothing to hide and he could have given us links to the forums to see more info and testimonials of his training site. How is it that his idea is welcomed by 2 forums and not by our forum? Why? Simply because its not for real unless proven otherwise and more importantly we CARE.

Take a look at this thread - an example of transparency http://muaythai.sg/blog/zen-do-kai/free-lessons-beginners-or-training-experience...
Those who asked details were concerned that others are not drawn by the word "Free" and people are not training with some individual who just wants some training and in a worst scenario injuries can occur at one's own risk. "Justin" doesnt need to be some hero or fighter to prove anything but a few simple questions answered like location, name of gym and etc would give ppl an ease of mind and some sense of "trust". Anyhow, thank god, they are hundreds of good gyms and quality trainers in Thailand with fantastic rates.

That's exactly my point! Thanks Mystiq so much for make it more clear!!!

No, no links, it's not worth it. I've seen them and it's just polite small talk - they didn't even asked the gym's name!!!
There are also a few others with absolutely no comments - they either don't care or have no will to check it out.

I say let's drop it, too much ado about nothing

An objective person will see every point made by people who are opposed to the camp has been rebutted. After rebutting, they offer no apologies nor further explanations

For example, Gaijinu said you can only comment on other countries' food if you have tasted them in their countries. I have except phillipines. Then later, he keeps quiet.

Puneet said Tiger is only 14000 baht, but I proved that it is 21000 for a similar accommodation. After being rebutted, he keeps quiet on this point.

Mystic was about to be rebutted too. He does not believe I have positive comments in other forums, but I am sure If I show them he will just keep quiet, no apologies at all.

Bubu helped me rebut a few posters too.

All in, there is nothing wrong with the camp at all, nothing to warn about. It is at a final price comparable to Tiger MT, just to name 1 camp. Like I have said, the main reason for this negativity here is kiasuism. If you had it free, the comments here would have been one of thanks and compliments, wont it? Yes no?

haha wat happened tooo....

Well, why should I believe? There's too much "if" in your replies and assumptions concluded by yourself. Well, if you are so genuine, show it, prove it, and keep our mouths shut and oh btw, still would like to know your gym's name and location . Not that I personally really care, whats more important is that the general public has been educated and its here for everyone to see how transparent or secret you are with your information. And whether they take up your package, its up to individuals. This is my last post on this "bo-liao" subject and so the saying goes "empty vessels makes the most noise"

OK valid i pay 21 k if i take a standard bunglow in tiger, but what abt the electricity charges for another say 2 grand( if we wanna talk abt money here). What about stayin at the gym.? u really don wanna walk back after training in the evenings and mornings to the room when u can opt to have a room right beside the ring do u? I suggest u be more precise in telling people abt ur gym cos frankly they have no other option but to beleive u. SO u have to "guide" them properly.

If im not mistaken u wrote something abt reviews in the other post or this one , u wrote abt gym reviews being a form of promotion , well these guys are not out to make money by writing reviews . I can tell u they dont get a cut from any gym to review them and refer them , they do it to "guide" people in the proper way , not announce that u pay me 21k baht and u ll get all this. Isnt that clearly making money? like an agent or something?

Sorry about posting this msg cos promoting gyms is not allowed here. Thats teh reason why i didnt reply anything more abt tiger. I only replied to bubu in a way not to promote any gym or discourage anybody from joining any gym , it was only abt MT training and technique and not abt promotion of any gym. Honestly if u want to promote ur gym u shud do so on ur website in a more detailed way goin into finer details. Cos honestly we are nowhere near half as good as most of the nak muays if not all of them from thailand. But I do it for the love of the sport, more than money it is abt knowing what i'm gonna get , not turning up there n then be in for a suprise if u get what i mean. Please dont say that RTF or any gym charges so much and im charging lesser or anything , its not good to do that, u ve been met with so much aggression in this forum because of that point i think, and also there are too many thai food lovers here haha.

Dude, it seems you really don't understand. Anything. But anything at all. Let me make it really simple for you. In bold and capitals:

We don't owe you anything, anything at all. You didn't contribute anything constructive to this site. Despite having a very strict no advertising policy we gave you a chance to explain your venture asking just the basic questions: name, gym, location. You did not answer honestly any of them or gave half-answers, and you blew it, that chance is never coming back.

You keep pointing fingers right and left. The people who wrote camp reviews don't get paid if someone decides to go to that camp and train. But you do and you didn't write a review, it was just a blind ad.

What are you blurring about having free training? You still believe in Santa??? 'cause we don't, we all here pay for our training in SG or elsewhere!

We're NOT opposed to the camp you @#$%#@$% because we don't have any info about it!!! How can you oppose something you don't know what it is???

We just wanted to know the name of the camp and where the hell it is! And you kept it secret. Fine, read again the line in bold.

I'm gonna just go ahead and follow the suggestions of jowing, wanderlei and others and change the title to a more appropriate one and close this nonsense.

PS. I'm sure there are some intrepid business persons out there which found this idea interesting. Please try to learn from these gross mistakes (you too CP) and create something worthy. Then get back to us
PPS. I see Puneet posted something already, don't think the right word is aggression, but definitely the lack of any transparency did the job
PPPS. Ok, over and out!

he likes thai food too!!! +1