Apologies if I caused any confusion as I am new to these things. I just saw some guy throw in the towel... all very new and exciting to me

I'm afraid I have to agree that SMU isn't quite lumpini but am quite glad the rules used gives the coaches/cornerman whoever the right to stop the fights... these guys, the fighters aren't professionals and sometimes they may not know better, so its better and safer that the guys whom we know and trust (I am sure we trust our cornerman/coaches or the doctor on duty)can stop the fight before it goes too bad and put an end to all future fights....

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whether SMU is or isnt Lumpini - why bother doing Muay Thai if you arent following the rules at all? pointless

now fighter safety is PARAMOUNT - however you havve a structure in place to ensure this happens

Its a coach's job to teach muay thai technique and scoring - its also his duty to be honest about ability and record when matchmaking so the promoter can match fair fights

It is a fighters job to fight under the rules

It is a referees job to manage to ring, be in charge of fighter safet (i.e knowing when to stop a fight or not)

It is the judges job to score the bout

A doctor advises when the referee asks him too - the referee is the only one who can look into the fighters eyes during the bout and then if he feels its unsafe to continue he stops the fight and awards a TKO

very simple

else go do a different sport else it is not muay thai

if the referee can't spot things like ILLEGAL hip throws, ILLEGAL foot sweeps, LEGAL things like kicks which hit the metal cup or if a fighter isnt fit to continue then he should NOT be in charge.

the rules arent wrong - Muay Thai is a safe sport - its the job of the OFFICIALS to enforce and to ensure the fighter is safe - thats his PRIMARY concern....

this attitude that because SMU isnt a stadium therefore shouldnt follow the same rules or scoring is a bit sad - and limits the growth of real Muay Thai

I offered to referee , offered to officiate and got zero reply ....

as long as you continue to have kicboxing coach's and kickboxing referees with no knowledge of muay thai scoring or even basic fighter safety then the sport will remain where it is - or even worse it grows with people thinking they are doing something they are not..

if your happy with that then change the name to SINGAPORE KICKBOXING ASSOCIATION or call what you do Singapore Boxing or something as every other country in the world follows the same rules and scoring when they fight Muay Thai...

Singaporeans who have fought in Thailand or Australia or the UK all seem to manage fighting safely and its under the same rules each time....so why should it be any different here?

yeah, i agree with diesel that proper scoring and points system is very important as we should respect the sport and thus follow the rules and point scoring system. And i am someone who supports the interclub "sparring" event also, as we can make more friends and i am sure no matter what sports we do, one of the aspects is to create friendship.

i agree with diesel. I love Muay thai , have been training for years , been to thailand to train but sadly i have stop training in it because i simply see no growth in the sport here .
People are just contented with what they are doing now. Why not do more to make the sport grow?
I hope to see Muay thai being more active here in Singapore.
First of all seriously the gym section in the only Muay thai forum in Singapore needs to be updated.
Organise more inter gym sparring, events, competition.
Adopt proper authentic Muay thai rules in competition.
just my humble opinion. :party:

as I have gathered and the above posts back up there is a lot of support for Muay Thai its just the way it is delivered here - and the BIG problem has been egos and politcs...

for those interested in non political interclub type events please mail me on here - tell me where you are training also - if your gym is against it then that is fine with me - but its nice if your coach supports such events - I am happy to talk to any instructor

interclub/sparring will be very simply done:

*Thai scoring - no headhunting, no elbows or knees to the face, clinch is allowed as long as its being worked

*we will follow all the usual muay thai rules and regulations

*16oz gloves, proper thai shin pads not 100 yr old amateur ones with no padding and a metal cup and mouthguard are required - no exceptions at all
there will be no headguards as they are plain dangerous, encourage head hunting, increase the head area therefore damage, encourage guard dropping and also keep slipping which causes fighters to be distracted

*promote muay thai spirit of respect

*all interclub sparring will be 5 rounds of 1 minute with 30-45 seconds rest

*pre registration but same day weigh in to ensure fairness

*all bouts are NO win NO lose.... its to promote understanding of the scoring criteria, freindship and experience of facing a new opponent with a crowd watching and cheering

*I will referee all fights not involving guys I train - I am impartial enough to referee my own students fairly but I know some may not think so - so will also have others step in for those bouts - these will be experienced fighters who understand muay thai rules

*no counts - opponent is given time to recover and decide if they wish to continue

*all fights fought with CONTROL - this doesnt mean tuppy tappy but should be an equal force from both.... if someone is staggered or gets caught then the opponent moves away checks they are ok etc and then continues

*lastly the referees decision on any fight is final - discussion after is welcome - from the coach or head cornerman - 1 person per gym only - and in a calm manner as I will happily explain reasons and rules in case there are any questions - and am more than happy to..

so get in touch - a number of gyms have expressed an interest which is brilliant - also there are several people who have spoken to me re Events which is also promising - so whilst I cant (and wouldnt) post anything other than hard facts rest assured that a lot of people want change and want to compete (and watch) proper muay thai of all levels....

at the moment under 16yr olds will not be allowed - for 16yr olds and under I would use the UK rule of no headshots and full armour etc - but its not a route I want to go down yet...so please adults only...

as always I am happy to discuss, explain and help where I can - so fire away - also I am happy to take ideas, constuctive critiscm and opinions as thats how it should work.... however I wont budge on things like rules and scoring.... if we are doing Muay Thai we fight, train, score and officiate Muay Thai.... simple as