a couple of results were really questionable!

yes i really agree with you Hansen! some teams werent happy even though the winner was quite obvious the judges thought otherwise! ah wells.

yes....the fights were enjoyable...there were big hearts all around... but i really question the judging criteria. dunno how the hell those judges based on what to pick a winner. It seems that some of the judging is based on the "look good" to win match. The saying goes 'pattern more than badminton'.
If this kind of refreeing standard continue to be in this way.......it reallys dampen the progress of those potential good fighters. How or who would want to fight...when the decision is so urgh!! i even have some memebers of the gym people telling me they were suprise their fighters won. And there was one match...the refree did not even collect the scores from the 4 judges and immeditely raise the hands of one of the fighter.....propbably the wrong one!!

think i am gonna get slam soon with this strong comments. If they already have in mind who to award the winner, please let us know in advance... Dun let the guys train like mad...only to lose out due to bad decision. No..i take that back...its moe like..damn really bad decision. Damn...i got a feeling sporting politics is creeping into Muay thai now...juz like rest of the martial art scene in signapore....so sad.....:(

yes thats sadly true. the results for some matches were really obvious. like wat bacaraat said 'some members of the gym people telling me they were suprise their fighters won'. thats not the worst part, wat about those fighters who felt that they should have won and wats more if it is their novice fight. this will really dampen their spirits with all the hard training put in. like bacaraat im sure some fighters or even gyms are considering on not joining anymore competitions. and i heard from my trainer that the judges dont really like certain gyms because these kind of uncalled for judging has been happening for quite awhile already.

Anyway, 2 fights stand out the most yesterday is the fight between Spencer from hilltop and Wing Chew of ASF. Credits to these two fighters for showing everyone what Big heart is all about. Spencer got a beating from ASF guy in the first two rounds. But the 3rd and 4th round saw a great fightback from the hilltop guy. Great match. It could have been a draw but i guess Spencer's grit and looks fresher at the end of 4 rounds won him the decision. =D> =D> =D>

Another fight that draws my attention.Wang Yu ASF and Eugen Low from BXG. As Wang Yu is supposingly the favorite, Egenue came into the fight as an under dog.... With weight and height disadvantage, it seems like an uphill task for him. However, he proves that with a big heart, he domintated the first round with some hard kicks. @nd round seems to be equal...till some kicks will landed on the groin on wang yu..ocuh! Probably the advantage of being tall is also being a disadvantage for getting kick in the ...ouch!!

Anyway, credits to Wang Yu for his fight back.. Using his height and strength to his advantage, he dominate the rest of the fight... alas..the fight was stop with about two minutes to go....Eugene got a cut from one of the many elbows throw by Wang. It was ashame that match was put to a halt... The BXG boy was raring to go and complete the fight...The corner from BXG also wants him to fight on. But doctor dont allow... Sad....even if he continue the fight..he would probably still lose...but ...great hearted fighters will not want to lose a fight in this manner... rather lose on points than by KO..... Anyway well done to both fighters....great match! Congrats Wang Yu and dun give up Eugene...you put up a good one. =D> =D>

Ah...talk too much liao... let the rest of the forummers do your talking here...

haha yes yes i must comment on that semi pro fight as well. eugene really did a good job and he didint kick wang yu's groin on purpose but some ppl think otherwise. eugene did put up a good fight even after all those knees and elbows. im sure we all feel sad for him, not being able to continue with the match. back at the bxg corner the doctor was saying that the cut could have been infected and had to be stitched up so he was sent to mount e. all the best on ur recovery anyway eugene and come back stronger. dont be disappointed!

too bad Lanna boys not around... They do have some good potential kids on the blocks....

Hi Bacaraat (SIR, you know who I am? )

I cant agreed more with what your have mentioned.

I will like to post a question for the sake of discussion here. What do you think of “Muay Thai” participant (I dont even want to coin him as a“fighter”) that went straight into a brawl session once the bell ring and the match begin? He simply just dash from his corner and start throwing wild swinging punches like no tomorrow. Throughout the entire fight, you will never get to see him throw a single proper technique, he just brawl his way through hoping for a knockout, and surprisingly the judge make such a participant a winner. The other poor chap that lost must be wondering “Shit man, if this is the way to win, why the hell am I even pouring money and wasting time learning the correct execution of Muay Thai punches and kicks and training my ass off? I might as well just work my experience from the street, Join the Gangs and take part again ,and that Mr brawler who won due to a decision can raise his hand and scream his heart after he won as if he was so damn proud of his doing.
I wonder what is it that we are trying to achieve with such event and tournament time after time. Is it to honestly promote Muay Thai? Or just encourage winners by any means necessary? If it a brawl we are looking for, then throw the damn rules out and hold a no holds barred competition. If it a Muay Thai tournament then makes sure the ref or the judges start taking point away from brawler

Damn man, Next time once the bell ring, I will just shoot a double leg take down and do a ground and pound in a Muay Thai Tournament

i was laughing from the look of disbelief of one of the participants when he was announced as the winner! He thought he lost for sure!

hmm....best way to get the result sure win one..KO!! and if KO still can lose ah....knn...guys....maybe gals also...what should we do to the refs and judges??

Unfortunately brawling is also one way to win...but a technical fighter will still find ways to handle a brawler with his techniques. Such fights are usually a spectacle to watch!! I will try to upload a fight that i saw in Phuket soon...classic encounter between brawler and technical fighter!

lol bacaraat thats wat one of the fighters said also. cannot jus win. must thrash them or get a KO. lol WAT CANT WE DO to the referees and judges. and i dont think its the referees fault la. more of the judges dont u think?

correction. wat CAN we do. my bad

I filled in results for the novice fights.

I respectfully disagree. BTW I don't know either fighters and am unaffiliated with either gyms, so it's just a 3rd party observation.

A fight is a fight, whatever style you use to win the fight, as long as you're not breaking any of the rules, and you're dishing out the punishment, then you're the winner.

His brawling style may work well against inexperienced fighters, but it will not work against an experienced, technical fighter with good countering techniques, evasive footwork and ring control. It's also easy to get KO'ed if your opponet is experienced.

The brawling style has its disadvantages when meeting experienced opponents. It saps your stamina realy quickly for one (which then leaves you REALLY vulnerable), and leaves you dangerously open to counters.

Case in point - Tank Abbott, classic brawler.

I hear you then, but I too respectfully disagreed with your contribution. anyway on a side note, I believe Tank Abbott is MMA fighter, Not Muay Thai, You are of course welcome to brawl in a MMA fight, in Fact everyone brawl to certain degree after that, especially those ground and pound fighter.

What is our argument here? A respectfully Muay Thai tournament am I correct? Now we are not talking about a NHB street fight, UFC or Pride FC Style of fighting

"The running at your opponent throwing haymakers until you gas out style" is kind of played out, what are the reasons you even want to set up events and tournaments and included novice fights? Of course first of all is to actually see some skilled fighters show up in the tournament, Promote the style of that fighting and second to see how the novice, those new bloods that joined each respective gyms are make up of. A lot of gyms might not realize this is indirectly a showcase of your training credentials toward producing “SKILLED” fighters and not some brainless bull. Your fighters represent YOUR GYM. If i am someone who is looking to join a good gym that teach me Muay Thai, I wont go to that gym where their most superior fighting strategy for their student in the ring is just do "The running at your opponent throwing haymakers until you gas out style" or worse, there wasnt even a plan, that why the novice just do "The running at your opponent throwing haymakers until you gas out style" \\:D/

Not to mention that it is another way to show yourselves some respect and your respective martial art style respect by fighting like a real trained fighter and not like a street fighter, anything less than that is just embarrassing, making people question what has the novice learnt before this fight? and what exactly is the gym teaching

I wouldn’t even say that guy actually brawls, he just went out throwing and landing blows "from the side of the glove". I can see that exposed chin of his that I just wanted “virtually" to throw an elbow or uppercut across it from where I am standing. In short, he disgust me, Like I always say, you want a brawl, take it out on the street. You want a win with that kind of style and you will never win the respect of any fighters or the people out there.

I agreed of course, for a more skilled technical fighter, they can counter a brawler anytime, then again If everyone start running at you while haymakering which takes zero skill and then the 90 second time limit allows them to win on points everytime. By the time the fight is over they just gas and win for throwing haymakers and thats is not a competition, and you dont need to waste resources to set up a tournments just for that. I overheard one of the parent telling his kid that just lost in the match that he should have apply "the running at your opponent throwing haymakers" style when he saw someone who did it and won. So much for trying to educate the public what Muay Thai is and he most properly must be thinking "My son sign up for this shit?"

Singapore really do have a long way to go

haha.. maybe in the near future they can use motion capturing devices to assist judging of matches.. then results will be more accruate..

what i think is, all the judges sit on one side of the ring.. so sometimes they will miss a sence or two when the fight is in their "blind spot"
so that might end up with a not so accruate judging? maybe in fight, all 4 judges should sit in 4 corners? haha..

mike zambidis is a brawler type fighter , he can knock most people out . but when he fights the top tier in K1(buakaw masato andy) he normally dun win em cause there a limit to a brawler power

guys can i ask smth?

why do all of em wear that high socks kinda thingy?

isit a shin guard?

yea.. its a shin guard.. its nt a sock :green:

Actually, the judges were sitting at each of the four sides of the ring yesterday.....

Gaijinu, thanks for the videos man!

Looking forward to vids of Kenji's last fight with Rafi, and Wang Yu and Eugene's fight. Had to leave early and didn't get a chance to watch those matchups.

Thanks for taking the time, and the hard work to video all the bouts.

i think they should relook the format when there is 3 men. either the heaviest or the lightest should be push the another category. else i think its abhorrently unfair for the guy who won his first match, tired and bruised to go against a fresh fighter in the final. its as good as a walkover for the two winners ytd. first it is unfair to the fighter who fought twice, secondly i doubt the honor in being crowned winner by winning against a tired bruised up guy. it denies the fresh guy a good chance to show his actual worth too. this is not K-1 max.

so true unless , while the 2 fighting the odd one run 2.4 and come back

Wah great viz, nice to see our local folks in action instead of the usual ang mo or thais.

Anyway i'm pretty new to the MT scene so correct me if i'm wrong, isn't Bia's Gym at Hockey Village? How come got got fighters from both Hockey Village and Bia's Gym (quoted above)? I checked the gym's listing but don't seem to have a Hockey Village gym, only got Bia's gym leh.

Any folks care to enlighten me...cheers

Just to reply to the bit about the confusing names :? .. .. Bis'a Muaythai Gym and Hockey Village.....

Bia's Muaythai Gym is its own thing and Bia is the sole trainer for his boys/girls.

Then there is Hockey Village Gym, which is under the famous referee Johnny Chan.

However, both the training is done at the same venue/ring.... Hockey Village.

Bia trains most days except Tuesday and Johnnny trains his boys there on Tuesdays.

Gaijinu has already helped clear this situation (a bit, I guess) by helping to remove the whole string :"Bia's Muaythai Gym @ Hockey Village" from the gym listing, so now it says "Bia's Muaythai Gym" and Johnny Chan may one day wanna put his gym listing there as Hockey Village...

lol i didint know hockey village is under johnny chan.

Thanks for the info, i've been training there for a couple of sessions but i didn't know another gym is also sharing the facilities.